Lisa ([info]alfaspider) wrote,
@ 2006-10-27 00:21:00
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Comfort Levels


Bein' an expat, you get asked a lot of the same questions. One of which is - if I were given the choice to stay in one country forever, which would it be - Vietnam or America?

I explained to a guy the other day that I'd choose America, hands down. He smiled and nodded as if he half expected it. I mean, Vietnamese people are always lookin' for some way to leave for America and most of them learn English just to do that or to at least go to another country. I mean there are HUNDREDS of English language schools here and the US Consulate has huge lines of people tryin' to get visas. They want more money, a better way standard of living and more opportunity. It's a given.

Anyway, I explained that it's not just Vietnam that I don't like or America that I do like, it's the fact that I would never settle in Vietnam because it's so damn small. I'm a city girl and Ho Chi Minh City's the only place I'd ever want to live in this country. However, this city is small and I can't ever imagine staying here forever. I then explained that America's HUGE with hundreds of cities with a bunch of metropolises across 50 friggin' states. Each place is so different, hell, it's seperated into regions. You've got the red mountains, the West Coast, the East, the South, the Midwest, the Pacific Northwest, the New England area, I mean, you've got everything AND everyone speaks the same language.

Then I got to thinking - why do people make it so hard to leave and explore? Yes, family's definitely a factor, then friends, relationships, and of course, people who just don't have any desire to leave, but for those who do, why is it so hard to break your comfort level? If it's work related, you can always try to transfer, or you can just post your resume or look online for different jobs. You can rent another apartment or buy another house, you can always make new friends, etc. It wasn't until I thought about this until I realized how easy Americans have it.

People here only have but 2 choices if they wanna make it. They move to the City from the countryside or suburb or they learn English and try to get out of the country. We're so spoiled. Yeah, there are definitely people in America who move from suburbia or the ghetto or wherever they come from to a bigger city to make it big but it's so much easier. You don't need a passport, you don't need paperwork, you can get in your car, jump on a plane, or a bus, and go. It's fantastic, really.

I'm the kind of person gets bored way too easily. I have to keep moving, I have to keep changing, and I have to keep things interesting. I can't wait to go back to the U.S. one day and live in a different city and state. I can't wait to just get a place and learn new neighborhoods, meet new friends, have new hang outs and favorite restaurants and stuff. It's exciting. You don't need translators or lawyers or work permits, all you have to do, really, is just leave.

Poll #853758 Stay or Go (take 3)
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

Are you happy with where you're living now?

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yes
8 (50.0%)

no
5 (31.2%)

indifferent
3 (18.8%)

Do you have a desire to LIVE in a different place?

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yes, I'm DYIN' to get out of here
3 (18.8%)

no way
0 (0.0%)

sometimes
8 (50.0%)

yes
5 (31.2%)

If you have ever wanted to leave, did you?

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yes and I failed miserably
1 (8.3%)

yes, but I didn't like it but am still there
0 (0.0%)

yes, but I didn't like it so I went back
1 (8.3%)

yes, but I had to go back and it wasn't by choice
3 (25.0%)

no, but I wish I did
2 (16.7%)

no, and I regret it still
0 (0.0%)

no, and I got over it
2 (16.7%)

no, and I'm glad I didn't
0 (0.0%)

n/a
3 (25.0%)

If you wanted to leave but didn't.. why didn't you?

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n/a
7 (53.8%)

family
3 (23.1%)

friends
1 (7.7%)

I can't ever leave here
2 (15.4%)

relationship
2 (15.4%)

Do you see yourself staying where you are right now - forever?

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yes
3 (18.8%)

no
13 (81.2%)

You want to move because....

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I want to see and experience more
11 (73.3%)

I'm unhappy with my location
4 (26.7%)

I want to start over
4 (26.7%)

n/a
0 (0.0%)



What are your experiences?



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[info]syllepsis
2006-10-26 05:35 pm UTC (link)
i've lived in seven different states, probably a total of 30-40 different houses/apartments. this is the perfect place. and barring any unforseen disasters or opportunities i can say finally that i will remain here forever. i love it.

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[info]alfaspider
2006-10-27 02:12 am UTC (link)
Wow, and why do you love Bellingham so much?

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[info]spicnspan
2006-10-26 05:39 pm UTC (link)
you know how i feels about it.

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[info]alfaspider
2006-10-27 02:13 am UTC (link)
True dat

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[info]oxmyx
2006-10-26 05:46 pm UTC (link)
I am somewhat of a nomad at heart as well. I figure that if I lived in the USA, I would be one of those people that move from state to state...I would love it!

Since I live in Canada, there is opportunity to move around such as in the USA, but due to factors such as weather, economics, etc, I don't consider anywhere else in Canada to be more appealing to live than here.

I've travelled to 30 US states and 7 CDN provinces so I have gotten a small taste of how life is outside of here. The rest of the world is next (and those remaining 20 states) but I have to get over my fear of flying first.

:)

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[info]alfaspider
2006-10-27 02:26 am UTC (link)
So you traveled to all of those places without flying?! Those must have been some great road trips. What city do you live in and what do you like about it?

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[info]oxmyx
2006-10-27 10:18 pm UTC (link)
I live in Vancouver, so the west coast of Canada. yes, I have been on many many road trips, at the very least one cross continent (well almost) a year. It's been interesting to cross one state border to the next and just see how vastly different the places are. :)

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[info]watashi
2006-10-26 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Why are all your "yes" answers negative? Where's the "Yes and it was great!" answer choice? I'm sensing that this survey definitely is slanting to the negative, I dont' want to do this side.

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[info]alfaspider
2006-10-27 02:06 am UTC (link)
I know, I had a real tough time taking the poll myself. I revised it 3 times and by the end, I just gave up. Sorry. :/

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[info]watashi
2006-10-27 11:37 am UTC (link)
Nothing to be sorry about. I was just pointing out that your subconscious already seems to know what it does (or in this case doesn't) want to do :)

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[info]qlewkr
2006-10-26 09:22 pm UTC (link)
I left VA for Boston and I love it here now, but sometimes I do wistfully think about moving to a place where I could afford a house and where there isn't quite so much pollution. Do those places exist, still? I'm a city girl, too, though. I never want to be one of those people who bulldoze a few dozen more trees to make room for my suburban rambler. And I hate suburbia in general, anyway. If I moved it would be to another city, just maybe smaller and cheaper.

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[info]alfaspider
2006-10-27 02:20 am UTC (link)
When did you move to Boston what made you move there? What a huge change. What do you love about it? Cities with cheaper housing and less pollution? That's a tall order! :)

I agree, I hate suburbia too.

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[info]qlewkr
2006-10-28 09:31 pm UTC (link)
Your latest post reminded me that I forgot to answer your questions, sorry about that. I moved to Boston in 1993 or 94. My best friend was living here at the time and I had been working a temp job in Virginia that was only 9 months a year. So I decided to try to be a temp during the summer in Boston. I ended up staying because I totally loved real city life. Also, Boston is gorgeous, with the beautiful Charles River running through it. Whenever I see the skyline at night, I feel so lucky to be here and far, far away from the ugly suburban lifestyle. Everytime I go back to VA to visit my family, I resent every second we waste in cars, driving the hour it takes to get to another family member, even though they all live relatively close by. Everything down there is highway, highway, highway. It's so damn boring. And there is nowhere to walk to near my Mom's house...it's all ugly houses and the last trees being mowed down to build new houses as far as the eye can see. It's hard to imagine ever leaving this:

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[info]alfaspider
2006-11-02 07:46 am UTC (link)
I agree with everything you said about surburbia! It's great to know more about you and why you moved, too. That picture is gorgeous. I spent my last year in Jacksonville very close to downtown, like just across the river. It was so neat to be walking distance or biking distance to everything - the stadium, the river, shops, restaurants, entertainment, it was great. That was ten thousand times better than living in the middle of plazas, long roads and Walmarts.

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[info]uberlegenheit
2006-10-26 10:19 pm UTC (link)
I had trouble filling that out because I am somewhere where I totally DONT want to live, but have to because the course I am doing is fucking amazing and I got a scholarship.

So away I went from the wonderful, glittering city of Sydney with all my friends and family and dog and nice house and here I am in dreary Canberra, it sucks, but the work keeps me going.

And so does alcohol :)

PS A lot of people dont leave because of the strict urban-rural migration policies and even stricter controls on migration flows between countries.

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[info]alfaspider
2006-10-27 02:10 am UTC (link)
I know, the poll is bad. Sorry!

Well that makes total sense for you. Yeah, I remember what it was like in college to feel like you're stuck for a few years.

A lot of people dont leave because of the strict urban-rural migration policies and even stricter controls on migration flows between countries.
I had no idea?

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[info]shriek
2006-10-26 10:57 pm UTC (link)
If you wanted to leave but didn't.. why didn't you?

Right out of college, I had an amazing job offer in the UK. (I was supposed to be born in the UK...funny story actually...) The only reason that we did not go, is because my dog (my icon) would have had to been quarantined for six months. I could not do that to her. She is a special needs dog, and being quarantined for six months would have killed her.

Ironically, a few years ago, the quarantine time was changed to three days, I could do that, but there is no more amazing job offer:(

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[info]alfaspider
2006-10-27 02:32 am UTC (link)
Wow. I can't believe they changed the quarantine from 6 months to 3 days?!

One of my friends had the opportunity to teach English in China for a year and she almost didn't go b/c she couldn't find a good home for her cat. Pets are a factor I totally forgot about. I know a few people who wouldn't go anywhere unless they were able to take their pets as well.

So do you think it worked out for the best?

And why were you supposed to be born in the UK? (or are you gonna make a post outta that?)

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[info]vondahugnkiss
2006-10-26 11:41 pm UTC (link)
I thought that I would never leave Northern Ohio. But with a new relationship, the boyfriend used to live in Chicago and wants to go back someday. NEVER I said. But the my job has changed, and I am starting to consider it. Maybe in a few years.

Very interesting post. We do not know how good we have it in the states.

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[info]alfaspider
2006-10-27 02:38 am UTC (link)
What do you like about Northern Ohio?

I guess it's after seeing so many people trying so hard for better opportunties that I feel that we're a little spoiled. Vietnamese think it's crazy to leave the U.S. to live here when they're killin' themselves to do just the opposite.

It's easier said than done, definitely. There were many reasons I stayed in Jacksonville for so long. I tried to leave a few times but always came back, mainly b/c I missed my friends and the feeling of home. Well, actually the main reason was that I couldn't stand the weather in Seattle, no matter how cool that city is.

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[info]kevmille
2006-10-27 01:20 am UTC (link)
I love Saigon. I will stay here forever!!! :-)

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[info]alfaspider
2006-10-27 02:39 am UTC (link)
Wow, congratulations! Why?

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[info]kevmille
2006-10-27 04:03 am UTC (link)
It is developing so fast, I want to be part of it. I actually have many business potentials. Interested in forming an English school?

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[info]20one
2006-10-27 11:29 am UTC (link)
I related to your last paragraph so much. I'm very restless. I've only lived in Washington DC & Boston besides Florida, but I love the experience of living in a new place and exploring all of the neighborhoods. You really don't get enough time to get the feel of a place until you've lived there for a couple months or more. Travelling is just a quick fix for restlessness in my opinion.

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[info]alfaspider
2006-11-02 07:42 am UTC (link)
I agree, living in a place is much different from visiting. I mean, even if you get a good 3 days in or so, you still are missing a lot. But really, who can really set up camp at every place they visit? :)

Travelling is just a quick fix for restlessness in my opinion.
I definitely agree. Everytime I feel I need a break, I just wanna get outta town.

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(Anonymous)
2006-10-27 09:26 pm UTC (link)
How small is HCMC really? It's bigger in population than virtually every American city, save NYC or LA. It may seem small if one hangs out in the same places that one is comfortable with as an ex-pat.

My further comments are on my blog here:

http://vatovn.blogspot.com

Your post has also generated some comments here:

http://ourman.typepad.com/our_man_in_hanoi/2006/10/is_this_true.html

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Hey :)
[info]innocenz69
2006-10-28 02:32 am UTC (link)
How is it going? I found your blog really really fascinating! :) I'm moving to VN (Hanoi) in Dec so I was just looking around to see what people who live there think about it. I know you're in Sai Gon but hey still it's really cool to read about your thoughts on living there. I love your photos, too. Sorry to be such an online stalker, haha. Anyway, just some thoughts about living in Vietnam. My first thought was that "Hey I'm Vietnamese! I definitely wanna live there!" However, then I realized that my opinion will change once I actually try living there for a couple of months. Coming from Canada, it's going to be a certain change of scenery. I'm really glad I found your blog, though. Your photos of Sai Gon is making me quite homesick. :) Take care, aight! And keep blogging!

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Re: Hey :)
[info]alfaspider
2006-11-02 07:49 am UTC (link)
Hi there! I'm glad someone does. :) Wow, so you must be pretty excited about the move, huh? Where are you from originally and when did you leave? Are you kidding? I like online stalkers... I think. Ha. ;)

Well, it definitely changes living here, you get your ups and downs, but overall, I wouldn't want to be anywhere else right now. Anything is still better than what I was doing before. Granted, I want breaks every now and then, but I like how everything around me is different from what I'm used to. I love the change of scenery.

Thanks for the kind words and encouragement. :)

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